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Episode 64 · 3 weeks ago

The Lizzo Special Special

ABOUT THIS EPISODE

While Lizzo’s new album Special has only been out for 3 days we are already declaring it a no skip classic! In our “Special Special” Lizzo shares the meaning and purpose behind each remarkable song. Hear from the Grammy winner herself for the third time on the Spout podcast as she tracks through what we consider her best written, most dynamically delivered, and culturally important release to date. 

Plus, as is always the case when Lizzo joins us, she drops gems beyond her music. She shares with host Tamara Dhia the never-before-heard story of how she and Harry Styles became friends, why there are no features on her latest body of work, what moved her to make a million dollar donation to planned parenthood, the impact of one fan’s simple tweet, and much more. 

While the pun is intended, this is a special episode from a special artist. 

Number one song. Right. So I gotta Check Grammy Awards, and the grammy goes to lizzens. Check CEO. My vision for it was just like shape boy, that you can wear underwear overwhear, anywhere, so that you don't have to feel a shame about wearing clothing. CHECK EMMY nominee. Watch out for a big girl. Check. The list goes on. For this multi talented, multi hyphen it who has not only taken over the pop charts but social media and reality TV as well with her flute and Toe, Lizzo is back with her fourth studio album special, led by the smash hit single about Damn Times music turned down the line. I'm Loney, all right, okay, it's about damn time. I'm your was Tamardia, and this is the spout podcast, where famous people spout off about more than what they're famous for, and today, once again about them. That's Lizzo. We have special. Did you Miss Meeed, I've been holes in twenty. I've been talking and making flothies. It's called healing and I'll feel better than you see me. I've been training. I'm Car Flextdad, so I'm shaking it. I'm just shake it like the Camouflagh camrauflash came flash. Finally we got this album we've been waiting for. You know, the last time we spoke you were just about to release your monster hit single. About Damn time talk to me about this album special and why it's okay, pardon the pun here, but why is it so special? The album is special because it means something. I didn't rush it like I really took my time to make sure that every ang was useful, if not to me, then to somebody else. I was so aware of the time that I was going to be releasing music into a time where we had just gotten out of trauma and we were probably bracing ourselves from more trauma as a society, as a people, and I felt like if my music didn't in some way help people express their trauma or escape their trauma or heal their trauma, then why am I an artist? You know, if I'm not reflecting the times, special is an incredible, no skips, classic album full of beautiful music written by your girl. I had so much funt making it. It is an album that is just all about love. I feel like all these albums in the past have been like I'm I love myself. I promise I love myself and I'm going to love myself and and this album is just like that confidence that you have when you've just been, like I were for this. It's that I worked for this...

...and look how much love I'm receiving. I think is what this album is all about. It's the Stop, drop and celebrate how far you've come. Album of the year. That a crap isick. Well, about damn time continues. It's tear up the music charts. There are other tracks on the album which are standouts. To Lizza, you're surprised that about damn time was the big hit off of the album so far. What other song is another standout for you? What an unexpected trajectory of about damn time. Time the song had been rewritten like five million times. I was like it's not right, it's not right. I kept like rewriting it freestylet the verse the verses, to get it just right, and we still didn't have the hook. And by the end of it, like I was like over, we were doing emergency sessions. What are we gonna do to fix this song? And I was sitting in the last session and I was like what if it's just okay, all right, I'm gonna be okay, I'm gonna be all right, and everyone just looks at each other like Oh. It's moments like that that click in and you realize a song has used, a song has purposed. I think that's how I know what a lizzle song is gonna, gonna be a banker, when it has that purposefulness. Um So excited that people like that song because I'm like, I ain't even that. Ain't even the hottest track on the album. Like I got bangers and I'm just so excited for people to hear this music that I've been just kind of sitting on for the last three years. Kid, how get me, kid, come make this goody good, big girl, can you say good? They're all good for me for different reasons. Like I didn't make an album and say, okay, this is a single, this is a single. The label is like fighting over what is the next single. Everyone has different ideas. Um, like I did a couple of songs with Max Martin, which is like a dream collaborator for me. But to be loved, I think is a song that I really stepped outside of my comfort zone and just try to do a style that I don't normally do and and and sing about love in a way that I don't normally sing about love. Um, we do a key change, okay, like, oh the old school divas do the key change in a pop song. Thatt mean know so, and Um, I'm so...

...proud of that. But then you know, I have a song with Mark Ronson that I just think it's incredible called breakup twice. Husband so much. I don't breakup and I the interpretation on that song of Lauren Hill, like getting Lauren Hill to clear the song is like that's a dream, like she's my biggest her and missy Elliot, my biggest inspirations, and beyonce, obviously. But then there's just other moments that are just lit, like everybody's Gay, which is a song that I'm just so excited for the world to hear, and naked. I mean, I could go on all day listening. I will list every song on album. I love you bitch. Also special, like the title track, is really incredible and powerful. So how could I forget about special, which is like one of the most important songs I've ever written? Nobody told you to day, you facial in case. Nobody made you believe I'm fascial. We always fasial. I'm so glad it's just still with us. Broken, made still. I really wanted to name the album after the song in case nobody tells you today, which is special, but it was originally called in case nobody told you, and so I always knew that this song was important and I was like this is the thesis of the album, like this is what the albums this is the title. After working with Max Martin on it, he was like the song is called special, it's special, and I was like yeah, and then after I changed it, I was like maybe I'll still call the album in case nobody told you, and then everybody was like no, you call the album special, and after that I was like, Oh my God, why didn't I think of this before? The album is so special, what else would I call it? So that's how that went down. In two if your song isn't made into a TIKTOK dance, is it even really a song about? Damn time not only took over the airwaves but social media as well when it was turned into a dance, with not only lizzo herself joining in, but other big name pop stars like Selena Gomez, who jumped in on the fun. So what you guys want to Tiktok and eight downds. This song is one of the last songs I wrote for the album. I didn't even think it was gonna make the album, and now it's the number one song. Oh my goodness, all thanks to TIKTOK. There were so many people doing dances, too much song about Damn Tom and I'm so, so grateful. Like the rest of the world, Selena Gomez was dancing too, about damn time on Tiktok, and the two of you had an exchange where you both confirmed that you wanted to do a collaboration together. So I don't know why people just assume every time the two famous musicians talk to each other on the Internet that they're about to draw rop a song. What if we just want to...

...be friends? You should absolutely be friends. But the reason why I say that is because you actually wrote Collab and she wrote back. Yes, why are you in my business? Because that's my job. Yeah, I'm you're asking all the right questions. Trust me, she I mean, she's incredible. Like I've I've I have been a fan of hers for such a long time, like I was watching, is a waverley place, so I can't keep my hands to myself. So you're just gonna be coy about that. Is that what we're leaving this? I'M gonna be very coy about damn time has raked in a lot of accolades, but one that stands out is when it overtook her good friend Harry styles, record breaking, smash hit as it was. In an industry filled with what drake would call fake friends, one friendship that is Nuin is the one between Lizzo and Harry, the friendship that their fans have affectionately referred to as his. Oh well, you know about damn time. Is Now the number one best selling us download. In Two thousand twenty two. You just surpassed Harry styles, as massive hit as it was. You tweeted the news and you called Harry your quote Bestie, you know, when you're not dancing his shows and he's not bringing you out as a special performer on stage at Coachella and doing live covers of your songs. But when did you too first meet and how did you become so close? We have, we have an interesting how much of this story do I feel Um you know, I was a fan of his when I saw him. I saw him one SNL and I was like, oh my gosh, like this is incredible music and and Um, he did juice in his live lounge and I was like, oh my gosh, there's a mutual, you know, respect here on the juice and Um, I think we did. We there was like a show that we were gonna do together and it was like, okay, we gotta go to Miami to do the show. Let's split a jet. So I met Harry basically on a jet and we flew to Miami together for our first time meeting and we was talking for a long time and gotten in like you know, he's a great person, great listener, really good listener and like really cares about you, know how you feel, and very funny. So that's an interesting way to meet somebody for the first time. For people with social anxiety, not the ideal way, but Harry can make even the most socially anxious person like feel very comfortable. When my...

...girls from girls, when my girls from my girls. In an era where collaborations with other artists is par for the course, what stands out about special is that there are no other artist features on the album, it honestly makes it that much more special, but fans are still left wondering when they will see a collaboration from one of her best friends in particular. Um, you know, admittedly, I was hoping to hear Harry on your new album. You know I'm team his Oh, so what's up with a collaboration between the two of you? Whenever I do a feature, is because the song is asking for it, and I feel like these songs that I put on special are perfect and aren't really asking for features right now. Um, also wanted to show the world me as a songwriter, now that everyone knows who I am. I wanted to show off my songwriting skills and and show the world you know, what I got. So I wanted this album to be all about me. There's nothing wrong with that. Features, features are coming. Don't you worry about that. Okay, can I throw suggestion out there because, like again, I don't think features, but can we please get everybody's gay with Little Nos x? I feel like that would just like make the world, like, you know, explode with like amazing nous. That's funny. That's my suggestion. Everybody's Gaya. We can take Um. Oh, we can all I can really, and the freak of the Hookay. Well, many young music lovers are growing up being inspired by Lizzo. The special singer herself was inspired by none other than the Queen Bee, herself fiance, and her recent episode of Carpool Karaoke, Lizzo explained just how much beyonce means to her. When I was shyed, when I you know, I didn't think I was cool, and when I was getting picked on, I would listen to beyonce in my bedroom and it would transport me. I would feel something. I would feel like this my life is going to be better. You know, there's hope for me. When I dropped out of college and I was really depressed, I listened to Beata, I want to repeat, and I was just sing be day all the time and I was like I'm gonna be a singer. I'M gonna be a singer the way she makes people feel, how I want to make people feel with music, like she's been my North Star. That's likely why, when Lizza's name was mentioned alongside beyonce's, she became, quote, emotional. You know, I saw a tweet that recently said thank you beyonce. Thank you, Drake, and thank you, Lizzo. I see what you were doing here and I love it. You responded to it and you said it made you emotional. Why is that? Yes, because that's a very good question. Um, I wasn't expecting...

...that. So beyonce Pun um I um. I feel I felt very seen in a in a world, in a culture that likes to or that tends to erase artists like me, Um, who have been, you know, dedicated to changing the vibration in the culture and making things lighter and more of a love. I felt very seen and appreciated by that message, especially it coming from a black woman. That really just touched my heart because, you know, I've faced a lot of backlash and I've faced a lot of negative comments and letting negative UH energy directed towards me, when it's like I've only put out positive energy and I've only made feel good music and disco music and music that makes people dance and smile and feel good and for some my reason, I feel like, you know, I'm a huge target for for hate. You know, with the resurgence of house music and Um in the mainstream, artists like beyonce and drake really popularizing it. Right now. It feels really good to be included in the conversation when it's talking about ussering a new energy into music and making people feel good again. Is it? Yeah, Bakir, because you're looking like a present? Is it? Listen's voice is just as powerful off the stage as it is on, whether she's encouraging body positivity or she's publicly speaking out and against injustices. Unlike many others, Lizzo puts her money where her mouth fits. You know, I think it's so important when people use their platform to do good in the world, and recently the Supreme Court, you know, made the decision to overturn versus Wade, and you know understandably that sent shock waves through the world and you immediately announced that you would be donating five thousand dollars from the proceeds of your upcoming tour Um, to which live nation actually matched. So now it's a million dollars to planned parenthood and abortion rights. Can you talk about how you felt when that ruling came down and why you thankfully lench your voice and your resources to the cause? Well, it was an interesting day because I felt like it felt very surreal, even though we had had the leak. So there was a warning that this was they were attempting to do this which, by the way, when you're not a politician, you don't have a seat of power and politics can feel really helpless. So it was kind of just looming towards us. I was already kind of like there was like a mental preparation,...

...but it can't really physically prepare you or emotionally prepare you for the reality of it when it hits. I don't like to take up too much space as a famous person with my thoughts and prayers and opinions. I like to take to let other people take that space, people who are activists and people who I want to hear from their voices. I think my position as somebody who is has a platform now and has a privilege of financial privilege, and is to be just a place of action. How can I be a resource, how can I be a platform and how can I help people take action? So I think that's the first thought when things like this happen. For me, I don't go time to go on, you know, and and just put my thoughts into the fray because there's so much everyone's thinking out loud. Now social media is everyone thinking out loud and then everyone's thoughts on that person's thought and I feel like it's not helpful, at least from my position, to add to that if I can't add a solution. I tried to be a very solutionary person. So my first instinct was, okay, what do people need and what do I have? People need money, and we called planning parentshod immediately because we have a contact there, in a relationship there, because when my June teams give back that I do every year, we added planned parenthood this year to the organization, the list of organizations that we were gonna donate money to. So they we were already working with them. And when this happened, we called them and they were like literally had no sales service because they were outside in the streets, they were in the march, and I was like hello, what what can we do to help? They were like what they told us what they needed. There's a lot that they're gonna need Um. And not only you know, where are we giving the planned parenthood, but abortion funds, which is another organization that helps people that those are my feelings on it. It's like if I can't like don't talk, do you know? And that's what I did. Thank you so much from all of us out here that don't have those resources. So we appreciate that you do things like that. I want to wrap up by asking did beyonce see your car Pool Karaoke, because I saw you tweeting about it and we were out here trying to tweet for you to get her attention. I'll never know if beyonce you watch it, because beyonce works in very mysterious ways. Obviously, after you've seen the Carpoo Karaoke, you understand why I said that. Like I talk about her and I sing crazy in love and I do her ad libs and I just want to do her proud, you know,...

...as a as a girl from Houston, as a bootylicious soldier, destiny's child from Houston, I just want to do her proud. So yeah, I mean, who knows what she's seen it or not? I just love her. Thank you so much, Lizzo. I really appreciate your time and I am excited to bump special all like, not even just the summer, but all year, because there's some really, really special tracks on their unintended thank you so so much. Always a pleasure to talk to you. Thank you so much, Lizzo. Bye. You're none of me. and to see more of our conversation with Lizzo, search spout podcast on I G or twitter and coming Thursday, see the entire conversation with Lizzo. It's spout podcast on Youtube. Next Demilovado spouts off. So for me, I'm such a fluid person that I don't really I don't find that I am. I felt like, especially last year, my energy was balanced in my masculine and Feminine Energy, so that when I was faced with the choice of walking into a bathroom and I said women and men, I didn't feel like there was a bathroom for me because I didn't fetle necessarily like a woman, I didn't feel like a man um I just felt like a human. And that's what they them is about. For me, is just about like feeling human at your core. The spout podcast is presented by Alpha media, produced by Mark Long and created by Phil Becker. It's about.

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