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Episode 67 · 2 months ago

Jax

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You probably know Jax, who has racked up close to 12 million followers on TikTok, as the songwriter who penned the anthem “Victoria's Secret.” The self-acceptance hit has resonated with countless people worldwide struggling with their own body image and the relentless pressure to conform.

Jax brings that same infectious energy on the newest Spout episode, joining host Tamara Dhia to spout off about more than just the song that inspired so many. She shares her journey from babysitter to popstar, the best and the worst advice she's ever received, what she finds more meaningful than a follower count or catchy lyrics, and also offers some hilarious stories about Mark Walhberg, John Stamos, Selena Gomez and more.

Not everyone who appears on singing competition shows goes on to a chief fame and success. For every Kelly Clarkson and Jennifer Hudson, there are thousands more hopefuls who come to Hollywood to sing in front of judges and, after being cut, moved back home, never to be heard from again. Then there are the rare few who managed to carve out their own paths and find success on their own terms or where she was made, whether it's racking up over eleven million followers on Tiktok in just two years, or charting their first single on the billboard hot one by writing a song that has helped millions of people around the world find a sense of peace with their body image struggles. The Sky is truly the limit for this multifaceted talent. I'm your host, Tam Radia, and this is the spout podcast, where famous people spout off about more than what they're famous for. Today that's Jack's Hey, what up? Hey, hey, hey, these are my words and I'm saying them. Holy Crap, Holy Clap, Holy Clap. What am I to start? Holy Clap. You'RE gonna want to take this upset Sumach area. I'm done. Hello, hello, and welcome to another episode of the SPOUT podcast. My Name is Tamra Dia and I am here with Jack's, or to her loven million tiktok, follower, is better known as Jack's write songs. So I'm excited to dive into this because you just came from taking shots of Tequila with Mark Wahlberg. I did all. I tried to say, let's do a shot. He was like no, it's sipping Tequila, and then he was right. It was very good Tequila. I love you so much. I'm like, it's hard for me to follow Mark Wahler. What we're here anyway. Um, what was that experience like? I know you told me you're a big fan of his. So it's like every now and then, and especially in the last year, I've like had a couple of encounters in L A to like there you meet, like you can meet normal celebrities and singers that you know, but the childhood like stables are that was very cool. I had to Peece so I literally walked the wrong way out of the bathroom and then knocked into Mark Wahlberg. Things like that don't happen to me. They don't have to meet now, like this is like so new, like, Oh, you guess, when you're up at like the radio station's office, like they here we are shots to mark Holberg to an interview with me on spout. Oh, this is the best day ever. That's it. I peaked. I could just die happy. Well, I mean, you had so many amazing things happened. Most recently, you hit the hot one hundred on billboard with your track Victoria's secret, no big deal, and number one on itunes pop charts. Like again, super casual. Yeah, but I love that. It's also just such an important song. I mean, obviously Victoria's secret is such a great marker for body Posit Ativity, and we see so many people on Tiktok on social and they're really taking to this song in such a special way. I saw a girl performing it at her talent shows. Yes, we actually just got her a flight here. Did yeah, so her and her mom were going to come in for the Hollywood for the first time and we're gonna make a Tiktok in person. I was like, I hope she I hope you even know that, and like it's not a surprise. I know I talked to her mom. So that's amazing. I love that. Was that your idea to do that? Oh, yeah, I was like so excited. Just had to meet her. She's Scottish. Yeah, oh, that's so cool. Yeah, yeah, I'm so excited. storyous. What does that feel for you to see? I mean,...

...you're your song resonating across the globe. First of all, like there are so many stories that I had never even considered at all when it comes to body positivity and just like self love. People took it and like made it their own. So as a songwriter, I mean your whole goal is to like make a piece of art and then leave it up for interpretation, tell your own story and just like figures grass. Hope this works right. and honestly, I have babysit this kid. Her name is Chelsea, and she's always kind of like talking to me about, you know, bullying in school and what she's insecure about. And she's she just turned thirteen, so it's like, you know, tough years. Like, honestly, people forget. I forget sometimes, like how and then you think you're like, Oh my God, that was really hard in middle school. Um, and you know, she said something about like, you know, getting bullied by somebody about her body. So yesterday I picked Chelsea up from the mall because she's going to her first boy girl Pool Party, and her and her friends went pickie popping at Victoria's secret UNILSE. He literally got on the car hysterically crying to me because this one little rat said something that made me cringe. It's gonna see that she said. She said the beating seed made me look too fat, too flat. Okay, anyway, I wrote a song for you because when I was your age I had a lot of eating problems and I wish somebody would have said this to me. When you hear it, okay, I wish somebody wouldn't show me when I was younger, all bodies aren't the same. Funnel Shop Baitty bitty models on magazine covers told me I was overweight. I stopped beating water bomber, get enough cars. As I could go back and tell myself. When I was younger, I'd say I I never felt comfortable like writing about, you know, all of my body dysmorphia and like eating issues I've had growing up, because I am not, like, in the best place to do it. Yet I always felt like the day I would talk about it would be like here I am and I feel great, you know, Um. But this was like the first time I felt more like a responsibility to her and the kid's her age that are following me to just talk about it. So I went to the studio, started a ballot a little bit like on piano. We were playing with it, and then I was like wait, this is not actually I don't want to write a sad song. I'm actually pretty pissed, like I want to write like a almost a sarcastic like pop, sort of Punky or song with electric guitars and and read a little. It's obviously a very sensitive topic to so many people, and then for them to feel so much strength from your lyrics. I mean, I can't imagine how that miss like, you know, make you feel. It's like legitimately the only thing that matters to me at this point. Like I spent a long time writing songs, like my whole life, you know, trying different things and trying to be someone I wasn't for a very long time and like to be in a place now where the priority like truly every morning feels like it's like how can I give something from me? Give it to you and we can all sing it together and it's like this is just I have no words. I've I call my mom every morning, like I'm very emotional in the morning time. So like when I go through that Tiktok's always like hysterical and like this is just the actual songwriter dream. Like when you write something alone or with a couple of people or in tiny little room, you're like one maybe when there's like a one in a million shot that like this will resonate. I saw that you shared, um a tweet recently that had like a listing of the songs that are basically charting right now and it was like Nicki, Minaj, Lizzo, Jack's awesome. I love all those girls. They're so Badass. And am I allowed to say that? I mean I grew up listening to Nicki, Minaj, Marymore. It's amazing. Huge songwriter like Lizzo is a whole other thing, like not just on the body positivity side, like an inspiration for me personally, but like and the label mate, which is nuts, and she's just...

...been like she has completely paved the way in a full, like fully new genre. I feel like I do genuinely feel like you know, women are definitely breaking down the barriers constantly, but in music specifically, we're seeing, you know, Nicki Minaj just shattered to record with being don't quote me on this, but it's something like the first female rapper to debut at number one and I would think the century. Don't quote me with this one with super freaky. Yeah, super fregure girl. Yeah, Kay, okay, so we'll check that. Oh my God, but it's like it's, you know, she's, you know, breaking records. Lizzo is too. So to be in the company with women like that, I'm sure, probably feels pretty good. I don't even like understand it at this point. Just to be in the same tweet wasn't really cool. So I've never actually met any of these girls, but I can't wait and nine these we do it for the nineties. Well, many of us are still trying to get a handle on Tiktok Jack's has become one of their more visible stars, amassing over eleven million followers in just two years, a number that is growing every day, a feat that not only ballooned her fan base but also helped her secure a record deal. So last year, when went wrong, I started posting TIKTOK's original songs. A man on one bedroom and I can't afford cable. And now, because of you guys, I got noticed by a label and, honestly, this doesn't feel real, but I signed a record deal. You do have over eleven million followers on TIKTOK. I have not been able to figure out where I fit in, and I think there's sometimes where, and I'm imagining other people might feel this way, is like I like watch it and I'm like, people are making such content, and then I get in my head about it and I'm like, like what am I, you know, and then I just don't post. How did you figure out your niche and like where to kind of like what felt right for you, and then when did you start seeing, to start resonate with fans? I like I felt like exactly what you felt, and sometimes I still feel it too, like if I you know, it's it's funny like Tiktok works and differently than other platforms in a sense that it's like kind of the most equal opportunity and like a feed that it gets where. Like if you're just, you know, a person in your bedroom, you know, like and you post something it could just blow up right. So, like, and that's the first time we're kind of seeing that, as we've been used to, like other APPS, you're needing a huge following to like have like eyes on a post, right. So, for artists, is huge. For people like you, it's amazing because you get to like share your work. Right. I spent a lifetime taking myself too seriously and listening to people kind of breeding down my neck being like p secs here, like people be more mysterious, like dumb this down. It's here, it's too written. was something I got a lot like this is just way too written. I was like, wait, I don't don't even know how to interpret that, because I'm just like love to write at this point. I love a good pun. So I started posting on Tiktok luring the quarantine and being like super overthinking about everything, and you could see, like you could tell, like in this APP. I feel that Gen z especially are hyper aware of when something is like forced and then when it's just organic and you're being you for like, the first thing that went for me was exactly what my personality is. Just making fun of my mom, as Stacy's mom from Stacy's mom's perspective and that was the one that opened the door for all my other like music, to be kind of seen and heard, and it was just came down to just not actually looking at any of that and comparing yourself to it, because I do feel like there is a space for every single person on the APP so and in the world. is a boy friend being soper we E, soper weird. He's...

...been on on on since your father Spia. He asked me thirteen dads about your dad's a fair. Your Dad's a fair plus. I think he's been stealing my n the when and on the well, you know, for you to build such an huge audience in just a couple of years, like, what does that do to you as a person? You know, like to feel that you know, because it's not just you in your room posting, which kind of it is, but it's also you're getting a lot of energy back at you. I think, on the surface, like I when you sing, you're on stage and write songs like my whole life. You dream. You're like Oh, like, what what is it to be famous? Right, like is it? Is it about the followers? But how many tickets you sell? is about like all kind of number related things and then like when it happened, and it happened quickly. It was it's just even still today, really hard to process and it doesn't feel kind of what you think it would feel. It's more it just feels more important the private messages and the Times you meet people in person and all those like genuine interactions that you have with people. That is what is like rocking my world right now. So it's it's obviously I'm so grateful, like you can't even ask for anything else. Right you're like, okay, people are listening to your music, and a lot of them, but it's it was intended for a small unit of people, honestly. But you know, when you post something on Tiktok, you just don't really know at the like. Sometimes people like it, sometimes people don't. So we actually had like another song in the like ready to release within like two weeks and we had to go and finish this one and be like Oh crap, okay, change of plans. People like where is it? I can't find her, like I'm sorry, sorry, sorry, okay, I gotta like record it for picking up this girl at l a x and I pull up to Gaby. I'm like hi, are you Hannah from Montana? She's like you recognize me? I'm like no, I'm the Uber You requested. We're kind of holding up bear port traffic. She grabs the off score from me and says can we listen to Jay Zy? She starts freaking out because she forgot to pack stilettos. Then she stuck her head out the window. I'm like, ma'am, that's dangerous. Put your head back in the car. Put your head back in the car. She's like, I'm gonna be shure. So I'm like you know, I mean that's also the cool thing about, you know, being that direct with social media is that you can put a snippet out and you can see in lifetime if people are like resonating with it. But also there's the flip side of that, because I know a lot of songwriters on there, just artists, like not even in just music, where it's they put a lot of weight on like whether or not a song performs, and they have people working around them. They're like, if it doesn't perform, your Tiktok or whatever, we won't invest in this, we won't care, you know. So it's I really it's not. It really isn't about the numbers and it is sometimes about consistency, like just putting your art out there and putting when you do out there and being authentic in it. But it I wouldn't depend on like any kind of real time number count because I will drive you crazy. I drove me crazy for a long time. Yeah, I mean it's it's actually funny that you brought that up. Is Like I know we've seen artists like Halsey come out and like talk about how they feel pressure from their labels to go viral on Tiktok just so they can release their music. So I would imagine there's like this weird cross section of like artistry and promotion that's like frustrating, I would imagine for an artist that's like I just want to give my music out, like why do I have to go viral? Yeah, it's like a lot of it's just about, you know, new media and trying to adapt to it. I always compare it to like Elvis right, not myself tell us, but is compared to Elvis, where it's like,...

...you know, he had the hip the rest. He was the first kind of like figure to bring sex into music and stuff like that, and it was pretty powerful and awesome and Badass and there was an entire detoration of people that were like this is selling out, you know, this is like the Devil's music, you know, like don't look at this, like hiding it from your kids. And now we're kind of sitting here in the same boat in a different way. Like every time there is a new advancement in like marketing, that we kind of you either jump on board or you just stay true to yourself, though, and do it the way you want to. Like I know a guy that did a whole marketing like planned by taking his budget with his label and making flyers down sunset man, who up my father, Mama. Well, Jack's is open about fan girling over celebrities that she grew up admiring, with her videos clocking in at over a hundred and eighties seven million, like it was only a matter of time before those celebrities started showing up in her comments sections, you know, with such a large platform. You know, I'm sure you have people in your comments section on Tiktok that you're probably big fans of. I saw that. I saw that sea commented on one of your I noticed that so late. Now you did, dude, like months late, where you're like seeing. I didn't even see you. I appreciate a good dad. Find so bro No, I missed that one entirely. Sometimes I missed them. Is there anyone else that you saw that you were like? Selena Gomez is Major. Wait, so, Selena Gomez, because you were like the sleet. She my friend. I was basically like so concerned when I was under anesthesia, pretty much waking up from it, that whether or not Selena Gomez was my friend waking up from tooth surgery with ten million followers. You hit ten million followers on Tiktok oh. It is so nice. And No, no, it's okay. I'm sure you will meet her. Hey, yeah, I'm sure she would love you. No, she likes you. I'm sure she'd like you. She's not really my friend, but she was so nice. She commented being like I adore you, which is like, Oh, did she? Did you like DM her at all? We you like, no, we don't follow each other. I mean I follow her when you're following you, but I don't think she fells a lot of people. Well, I was actually gonna ask because I know we see a lot of famous faces in your Tiktok's. There's John stamos and Timesha bedding field, recently Jojo Siwah. So like yeah, amazing, like how did that? Do you just like DM them? Are you just like Yo, I like you come to a Tiktok with me? It's like yeah, normally, of a time. Those were actually all three different scenarios, though. Like Um Natasha, I had like started working with basically in exchange for her her vocal expertise and songwriting skills, I give her like Tiktok tips and we got on in the studio and wrote songs for her too. So like yeah, so she's awesome and now a friend of mine, which is not need to think, because she's freaking Rad. And then, Um, John stamos noticed a video of mine that I wrote a song, Um to the full House theme song, about Bob Saget when he passed, and then he was like can we use this for something and started up that dialogue and I was like Hey, I know you said I owe you one and like I would never actually follow up on this, but my mom is here, so like is there any way you could come surprise her? Yeah, we had to like literally wire a guitar under a door. Anyway, Um that one. And then Jojo was literally I met her through one of the dancers at the flash mob at a chucky cheese birthday party and we she was like yeah, come over Monday to surprise Chelsea, who was in summer camp and I have no idea she's famous right now. This is the girl I baby said Hi and Chelsea and I'm a good kid. Elsie has one thirteeth birthday wish for Jo Jose. He wants to come in on this or up past your bedtime. Right. Song for Jojo to leave me...

...on her day. Jojo, come on, Jojo, if you're listening, please notice me. I've been your biggest fans and I was like ten years old, happy bready heard. Happy Birthday, dear Jessy, happy by you, yet so old. Howday? I started babysitting her years ago in L A, basically when I couldn't pay the bills writing songs. So it was like my grocery money. And after the quarantine she's like, Yo, my my friends don't believe that my babysitters like tiktok famous. They're like telling me I'm lying. I was like, come over Laura's song about it. While her song, Victoria's secret, continues to touch fans around the world and climb up the billboard charts, Jack's recently went to twitter to support an artist whose music has touched her, superstar and recent spell guest, Daniel Levado. You know, I recently saw that you tweeted to Demi Levado, who I recently interviewed for spout and who was amazing and lovely. and Um, you wrote and tweet. I wanna, I'm gonna say it, properly, said all this it up. But you said thank you for twenty nine. It means more than you realize. What did you mean by that? Whoa have you hit your question? You know, I I've had probably a similar experience to Demi and I'm at like finally, I'm at twenty six now and not at twenty nine, and I'm slowly processing a little bit of that and Um, maybe at twenty nine it will be, uh, even more clear as day Luna is now. But Demi is just so badass like that. I love her like punk ballads, you know, like her. Yeah, I know it was love for like peblical power ballad, but it was. It's those lyrics are nuts, like, have you actually listened to this? Oh my God, like the verses, just like poetry chorus hits exactly lyrically. That something I've been through similarly rely and uh yeah, I just appreciate her singing about it and it kind of in pop music. She's nuts. Yeah, well, technically punk rock, yeah, yeah, whatever. I call it, popular, popular music. Feeling um well, like during that, you know, at the aftermath of the interview, actually like there was a and it's something that, you know, being on camera, you've learned along the way, especially like when I interviewed such a big talent like there's there's always some sort of backlash in some capacity, and like she's she was so forth right and fourth umming, but like there's always gonna be trolls or whatever it is. Have have you like had to deal with anything like that yet in your career? Oh Yeah, oh my God, every all day, every day, and there's never going to be like a full win and honestly, I don wouldn't want there to be because, like when then what's the point? Like you're supposed to be when you make music or any kind of art. You're supposed to be making people feel something, whether it's what they like or not. So I have found a way to stop obsessing over the comments. I used to try to read every single comment. was keeping me up all night, like literally just delirious reading things and then getting way to my head by the time I woke up in the morning, and it was affecting what I was naturally writing. Um, oh my gosh. You know, Lindsay Sterling just posted a video about this, saying like if she catered to like, the one hater and she would never have been able to, like, make the ten lovers like feel anything. You know, some people hate my art and make fun of me for it. Other people love what you...

...do. I want everyone to like me, of course, but if I spend my life trying to please everyone, I don't think I would have deeply connected with anyone. The same video. That meant nothing to this first Yoll, because really moved other people at a negative or both present in every single moment we experience. It's up to us to choose in which reality we're going to live. So it's it's you know, I can't let it get too much in your head, but I don't know I'm full of like it totally get to my head and please, please, let me just get I'm not gonna pretend like I don't care about the haters, like I fully care. Sorry inhert. Well, the thing is, you have a lot more lovers than haters, and that is obviously apparent with your song like burning up the charts right now. We're excited to see that continue to rise. Um, what's I mean? I know you're obviously promoting Victoria's secret, but what's what's coming up next to you? Oh girl, it's so much music. I'm so excited. I Call I'm calling it dad pop because it's like a hell of a lot of puns for a body of work. And Uh, I have like a song that I am really excited about where all the Disney princesses like lose their mind and go crazy and just finally snap and like burn everything down, just go like nuts, and then, yeah, and then I have a few more like in the bank that I'm excited about. Now it's just a matter of picking which ones are the ones. So, before we exit, I did wanna maybe do uh, I'm not a songwriter, for the record, but I did write this little mini song, because I got the teaser of it earlier and I'm really yeah, I'm like, Um, wait, what did I do with that? Shoot, this is what my like. I know book looks like in life. When I write, I'm like God, yeah, so obviously Jackson writes, or does her tiktoks from the perspective of her parents, her babysitter or the girl she babysits perspective of my baby? She's dude. Know if she hates me, because the last we left off and that was the last time I was babysat. I'm so sorry. Shy Out to Lauren. I know she doesn't like me because I locked in my basement. Like we thought it was funny. Me My brother. We were like Hey, can you go get something for us, because we felt like we were being were too old in Babysat and we locked her down. But how funny would that TIKTOK BE? I think we should make this happen. This is my olive branch line. Please forgive me, I'm gonna call okay, okay, let's hear the song. I'll spit the bars before you sing the okay, so do you want to spit bars like it's a robber. You won't throw some melody in there? I'm gonna help you. Not a singer. So, yeah, this is a shoot. Okay, so this is from the perspective of Me Interviewing Jack's M net. Should be happy in your melody, like the happy in classic public domain Dada like interviewing jests. Those are my favorite, like those little like nursing ro episodes of that way. I am interviewing jests like that's it. I am interviewing Jack's. I'm Jack's, Jack's. Oh No, you're right, we can't do this. Okay, I'm starting over. I'm fringing Meldi. Hey, what's up? Funny, this is my process. OK, watching it hartists at work. I love it. Okay, maybe, and Jack. She's pretty minibe. And Jack's, I'm Jack's. She's putting straight facts, straight facts. That's okay, that's right. Jack, I'm Jack Is. All we need is a PIA. Want a song. With the song one, you can't go wrong, and then you can watch her. It will be a fun time, no doubt, no doubt. So Click and follow him. Be sure to check it out. Check it out. Check it out, check it out, check it out. Okay, okay, you got it? Okay, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, you got I am interviewing Jack. I'm Jack's she is Spitty, straight fact, stree facts. All we need is a piano in a song, a song with a song on the hot one hundred. You can't go wrong. Go wrong. You can watch our combalon spout, spoo. It'll be a...

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