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Gayle

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Gayle joins us for another spout off session! In her second appearance, she reveals advice for excelling in any creative field and also explores the unique challenges she faces when writing songs with curse words.

Stay tuned to hear Gayle dish on the pressures of a debut album, reveal all about her tattoos, her inspiration that is Aretha Franklin, and her surprising debate with host Erik Zachary about America's best pizza.

Driving. Safe Drivers Save Up to twenty percent with insurance. Get a quote at Aa Acomlah insurance. They say all it takes is one if you have a song that goes super viral on the Internet, quickly becomes a break up anthem being screamed at the top of people's lungs everywhere, from the bedroom to the bar, and subsequently skyrockets your career to new heights. Some they think you've made it, you're done, a life of ease, a weights because you've finally arrived. But those people are wrong. Having a massive hit is great, absolutely, but now the real work starts, and for Gail that means the fun starts to down the Alphabet Song. Yes, we've all heard it and there's no stopping this train. Seemingly Right, ABC is our I doaa certified platinum, just an absolute powerhouse of a track. But where do you go from here? One of the biggest pitfalls in the industry is having a hit and then falling by the wayside. So how do you stop yourself from becoming another one hit? Wonder that question could put a lot of pressure on a seventeen year old from Texas. Fortunately, for Gael, all she does is right hits. How do you follow up the unbelievable success of your global chart topping debut single? Well, with another banger. Naturally, authentic, unapologetic angsty all fantastic and hyper accurate adjectives to use when describing gail, and she's been pretty busy living up to those since her last appearance on the spot podcast. She's toured with Tate mccrae, hit the road on her own headlining tour, performed of the tonight show with Jimmy Fallon and the late, late show with James Cordon, and released an album titled a study of the Human Experience, volume one, which implies that there might be a volume two coming very soon. It's full steam a hide for gale, eating train station pizza, running on no sleep, long travel days and performing night in and night out for her fans, and always making a point to meet them at the merch table after the show as well. It's not a life for everyone, but even at her young age, Gail seems right at home on the road, seeing the world, finding inspiration in a new city every day and creating a safe space for her fans to be angry and angsty, while simultaneously getting them. The escape through looking for through music. Sounds pretty sweet, doesn't it? Now the real work starts, but it's about to get infinitely more fun. My name is Eric Zachary, and this is the spot podcast...

...where famous people spout up about more than what they're famous for, and today, once again, that's Gail Hi. How are you besides waking up a little bit? I'm I'm still waking out. We're on the same struggle. I'm very honored to see the slice in person, the orange like. Yes, you did interview with my Buddy Nick Major yes, and you were telling him that, like, the whole idea is that you want to see how people interpret it, whether it's orange, whether it's lemon, Tangerine. I was literally mad at myself for saying calling at the orange slice because I wanted to together. You took it away from people, so sorry. You should get other tattoos with that in mind, though. I should. Actually I'm absolutely obsessed with tattoos, like I just have given a way to the fact that I'm just going to be a tatted gal like that. That's it. Well, you have to. I have three so far. Yeah, yeah, you're going to go for the full sleep. Oh yeah, we're doing it. We're gonna GO SLEEVE, we're gonna get the legs, maybe neck tat, maybe facetat, maybe face tat. That is a commitment. It is a committee. Postpone easy. First I get like I'm trying to make sure I've room. When I'm like twenty. That's like my biggest thing. I'm about to turn eighteen and that's going to get scary. CREEN I can walk in and any moment's notice and be like just go, permanent sticker. Don't know that I've ever heard it's had to describe as a permanent sticker, but now I'm going to have to for knowing. It's really amazing, but it makes me laugh when I say well, happy almost birthday. Thank you. I'm sure you get this all the time. Right like so, because you are younger in the grand scheme of things, but I don't feel like your seventh. Like the way you speak so eloquently and you have a realization. I heard you say you learned pretty quickly you're not making music for other people, you're making it for yourself, because just people are people and you're always gonna have haters, you're gonna have people that don't like everything? Yes, we don't like everything. How do you navigate with the you had a song about the alphabet that did pretty well, but how do you navigate a song like that that does so well? That was such a personal song too. And then everything with the EP? Are you ever tempted like, okay, maybe I should lean in this direction more because people liked it, or you really trying to keep yourself like, let me just think and write for the data in the moment that I'm in. Yeah, I feel like the biggest thing for me is doing what I want. The thing is is like when you're growing up, what you want changes so like what I wanted six months ago might be completely different than what I want I wanted to be an architect and that I can't draw at all. I'm not a great with the mercy there's such a good drawer. When I was a little kid, they used to make me so mad because I try and like I'd look up a picture, try and draw, be terrible. I'd like get frustrated, rip all of the pages that I try to draw and then impress like it's gail location, tortured artist of for Oh yeah, Oh, it's like there's always been some tortured soul. So agree to some agree. Yeah, I mean I feel like the biggest thing is like, for me personally, I'm trying my best to do things not based off of other people's opinions or what other people want for me. You know, I'm trying to like take what all of the things that I want in the moment and what I want to be and what I want to do and then just do it, you know, because I can't try, and especially now, this is something I realized, is like I can to do things off of what other people want for me,...

...because then it's just not worth it. Like I cannot do things for other people's happiness because, like that's just not sustainable for me at the end of the day. I can let other people's happiness and liking of my music like inspire me or and may motivate me, but not yeah, and even it's like I also had the realization that nothing's actually good. Things are subjectively good to people, but nothing's actually good. Like I cannot make something good. I can make something that I find good and other people find good, but it can't be good. I'm not laughing at you, I'm just like wow, I mean you're sitting here just blowing my mind. See when you say stuff like that. But no, I'm I'm being genuine. I mean that is such a mature just not even like it associate with age, but just you have to have gone through things in your life to grasp that and to understand that, and it's really a beautiful thing to see you already on top of that. Thank you, I appreciate that. So the the the EP was volume one. Yes, so how many volumes are we looking at? Were going like web stores, like there's gonna be yeah, you could, I mean one could. That is a thing that somebody could choose to do. That mean, that's kind of how anything in life happens, is anyone could choose to do something. One that could choose done. Yeah, it could be done. One could choose to do that. I will not, personally in this moment. I don't think I might. Who knows? Who knows? When I'm fifty I might be like here's fifty, but that's the most indecisive sense that I might. I'm not. But I could, but I could. I could. Maybe there's there's always a possibility that one could, but it right now, in this moment, I don't think there's going to be fifty volumes. I'm currently really focused on making a second body of work that's consistent with the first, and then after that's done, and my head, I think then I'll be really are just me out. You're no, no is agreeing with me. was like yeah, no, see what that happens. I have to do it again to prove it wasn't like my body like. I think you're just squealing. I think you're just really, really excited. that a lot of interviews gale. I don't think anyone's ever told me that I squealed in front of them, so thank you for that. They're very welcome. You're very welcome. No, okay. So the next body we're working on. Yes, you. Do you like the idea of shorter EP projects, or do you want to do an album? Or I mean today's music is so wildly different than it you know at there is a lost art to the album now because people are just releasing songs. Yeah, I feel like a debut album is like a thing, like it's a thing, like people say, like debut album, like it's a just like that. Yeah, exactly, like plunket, a debut album with that specific and Tom had you got almost got it. Yeah, you know, you got it. You know, you know. It's a debut album and it's one of those things where, like, I feel like I for a lot of people and their heads, I didn't exist as a human being until I released a song about an Alpha, but smelling it incorrectly, like if for a lot of people's brains, and I get it, like I'm not going to sit here and like be mad about it or anything, but some people are like, I don't know this girl, she just popped up. Now she exists. There it is, and so I think just showing the fact that I existed before that and I'm existing after them. You known the...

...alphabet for probably a watchually for a minute. Yeah, surprisingly, and I cannot spell at all, though I've made that very obvious and I've tried to. I'm not I'm not ashamed of it. It just is the way it is. You're so much on the same thing. Is just a quick not to divert away from you, but I they change the way that I was talked to spell. When I was in third grade, my school was a test school. Oh so we got hooked off phonics and they're like Oh, you, you don't need we're going to spell phonetically, and then in six girl they're like, all that didn't work, so they flip back. So no one that I went to school with can smell, spell, spell at all, but he could smell. Well, I've DASLEXIA and it's not even badly because very, very settle mild. Yeah, yeah, it's very moud, but it's still there with take up. Yeah, yeah, when I'm like talking and tried to spell, it does not. Does not, especially if I'm writing it down or reading it right. Does not. Does not go great. I don't want to. I mean, obviously I have to give your accolades, like ABCD, if you incredible, like obviously connects with people in so many different levels. It's it's some people it's that ultimate revenge song. Sometimes it's just like, I mean it''s a BOP, it's a sing along, it's you screaming in a bar. You know, Ouchi don't know anything about because you're seventeen talking, but the first time that I heard it on the air right the first thing I went to mind. I've always wanted to ask artist this. Yes, my stool is squealing. How to see you how he fast did you have to recut a clean edit to say forget you? Hmmm, and that's not easy to like, I was not. That was not an easy thing for the heart and soul writing standpoint. It's not the same, caden. See, it's no, no, no, I say it wrong the first time. Like I don't even remember how I did it, but I like went in to the studio. Will also, like I think I did the censored version after doing all of the other versions. So might I ad I've already liked and then pre other versions. I worked on ABC with probably like I was in the room with like for producers. So I mean I've heard the story. Was the year. Yeah, yeah, it was a really long time. And so, like I already did all of that and then I recorded the angrier version and I to rerecord the chill version and then we did the demo and all of that. And then even saying abcdef you was kind of a lastminute decision. That was done pretty pretty last minute. F You almost didn't make it. Almost well, because it was I don't know, fucking curse where I was recording. Okay, because it was ABCD you. That's what it always was. God, my years. Oh my gosh, your poor radio ears. What are you gonna do? No, but originally it's not really like Abcdu and then like kind of switch to Fu and then I found out like you couldn't necessarily say a few get to every apparently children exists and apparently people want to control what their children can hear. How exposed to things? Something like that crazy. Who would whould have thunk? And so then I was like okay, but then I did it wrong. I don't even remember how I did it, but I did like ABC forget you, like I did. Some think terribly, like that's not work. It was, you know, you were switching to forget you. was at the first choice, like it's going to be. Yeah, that was well. The one thing that's actually really hard...

...was everybody but your dog. You can all get lost, because trying to figure that out was really hard, because it's like everybody, because it's like God, like everybody's your dog. You can all fuck off, including their mom, including their mom. But like what do you what do you say? Yeah, that I would find that challenging. I mean I've gotten the talk to some artists that, you know, things their same song in a different language and that's a whole, like that's goal, trying to get into fit. But that's interesting. So now is that going through your head anytime you're writing something? Like? I'm gonna have to kind a clean version of this at some point. Bro I don't know what the frick it is. I cannot stop saying in my courses. I really love that's how the contracted thing that sentence. Wait, I mean, and it could be however you want it to be. It's like so and like the concepts of my songs are around like like it's just such a like important part of the concept that I don't know what is up with my brain, but most of the time what I try my best to do is in the session I do whatever I want, like I we can have the freedom to literally make whatever we're making nothing, just something. That's always like a crazy thing, you know, we're trying to make something out of thin air and nothing in like to try and have restrictions or trying to make it into something that's like acceptable by other human beings. Like it's too much. So I always like in the room we do what makes us happy and that if it's worth trying to like, then you go right yeah, but like you, it's not. You're if you're in the session of being like what are we gonna do for the radio? It's like don't because that's some pople talking riding drons. You are wondered. It's just a lot of like, oh my God, how is this gonna get on? Hurry? But like when it's on the radio, how are we going to replace that curseword? Like no, you don't, you don't think about that until like, trust me, I'm on the radio and I have to. I wish I could swear. It's so bad right now. I really do. Yeah, leep myself on the air to one yell at for the you can't do it, because they know what you mean, because they know it. Yeah, do they? It's a tough one. Know when I was like forget, yeah, forget you, okay, you know. And I'm never even be mad, like I'm never going to be mad about the fact that my songs with the radio. I'm never gonna be like, what a terrible thing have happened to read US millions of people here, he nick major, here with the spout podcast. And you know what? I enjoy good food, Sushi, maybe a tasty Pasta, a fancy burger you know whoo and making my mouth water over here. All right, so no living being that should be eating stale, crunchy balls for every meal for the rest of their lives, even if they pee on the carpet sometimes. No, I'm not talking about my brother, I'm talking about our best friends in the world, our dogs. So check out this easy and healthy option that will have your dogs eating the way that they deserve. It's called the farmers dog. It's healthy food with hole meats and veggies steamed in human grade kitchens, so all those nutritional values are preserved. You tell them about your dog, they deliver a personalized, vet developed meal plan for as little as three dollars a day. And it's so easy because the box it will show up at your front door. Inside of it they're preportioned ready to serve...

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...to think I want you be in my mouth. To stay with me, right. Imagine you do a show in Chicago. You then drive fifteen out word, see your billboard, which is worth it. Yes, I know the story. You know. We drive fifteen hours, YOU'RE IN JERSEY. Yeah, right, which that drive sucks. I just had to do I literally just move back from from New York to Chicago. So I just it with you all. It's a tough one. It's a tough one. And so then and I was like not feeling great. I was not sick bad, but I was just like not not feeling great. I was so tired. Yeah, you go to Jersey, we take we take the train into the city, where in Penn station. I then I'm like, I'm hungry. I'm going to take a pizza slice. That doesn't make it the best pizza, though, but you don't understand my logic. No, Ti no, you don't understand what I'm I love anything. That was the best pizza I've ever I thought was clarified that I have low standards. I've never said that you should trust my standards on pizza. People ask and I reply Johnson Bleaker. Okay, all right, if that's what you want to personally believe. No, that's that's what I am telling you. That is you need to at least small. It's not gonna blush my beliefs on you. I appreciate. I would just like you to like, maybe give it a shot. I will, because maybe I don't know the man that's selling a pizza that's been under heater for the last four days isn't the best option, but like, maybe it is. Maybe not. So, maybe not right, like what if it's like so generally getting mad said about this of how heated getting you calling me off for squealing not look good. Keys Pizza Penn station after a fifteen hour driving, I'm tired. I was PMS saying, all right, no, I wasn't in PA messing. I was on my period. All right, you have cramps, be bloated, have a headache, have a fifteen hour dive. See, see, silent. I'm not you put the my cristials. No, silence. You just like no, no, you're silent. Your silent. I am not taken away that it was the right option for you in that moment. I think, yeah, it was the right option and it always is going to be. When I go to New York, going to be like pen state. You will your shoes, everything else. Yeah, everything else, and where? The next forty nine volume center muse volumes and years of my life. You're so talented and so cool. Otherwise that's so upset. Try The pizza you recommend, though. I will let you know, but I think you need to be an I know. You know. I feel like I got your vibe. You're like you're gonna staunch. I'll be it's a fan. I'm now very, very stubbornn I'm committed and I am stubbornly in love with this is. You're slowly pissing off radio DJAYS around the country one by to tell them. Yes, this is my way of slowly ruining my career as getting people to know my personality once I one. There are worse ways that you can go about that. So if that's you know what, I'll respect it. Will I love that we're fighting right now. This is this is really great. You feel, like I said, I just like, I just hope you know, I forgive you. I want to end the interview like on a good note and I'm not feeling good, but this is right now. This is an apology that I'm accepting from you. Thank you so much. I really thank you. She list. You know what makes it better? You...

...have a song called easy, which is clearly about my initials are exactly. So I appreciate yes, and being the Muse for you know, literally, I looked at you on I was like, Miss Man, is like so inspiring to me as I was I wrote this song, he said again, with my names like it use. That is so. When I was fifteen, I wrote this song right about you and I was like, civically, I sorry, Eric Zachary's like that, Eric Zachary, and I was like wow, I must write, I must go into the room with two other women and I must just when we're just needed to talk about hi, see, to talk about Eric Zachary like and how he glorifies his problems but he never solves specifically the first line. We're gonna have a lot of interviews over your career, I feel like it, and it's always gonna start with a fight. Now, no, I do. I've been looking for that artist in my life to just like bicker every time I got to you. Yes, I'm going to be a bigger person here and I'm going to compliment everything bigger person. Apologized for being my to not do that. pinions. I have some of there's so many cameras in this has been recorded. This is really all right. Well, like, good job on the music and soft and to rub on the interview. Thank you, and not killed doing so good. Probably your best way talking to him every ex crazy. Thank you. Literally, it's been appreciate your saying that, really, when I like that you're learning the Alpha. Maybe we could like move on to like that. Do Know? Hg. K. Okay, okay, you see, I thought you wanted me to stay on easy. Eric Zachary, we got I mean people, we got it, but like maybe we can repeat it. Why is black some two and three, four and five and six, hundred and forty nine four counting a power counting. Yeah, in all seriousness, is very cool to talk to you. Is that? So excited? She didn't say cool back. Just as lovely cool. It was so cool, lovely, exciting, exhilarating. We go. Incredible stuff and exhiler amazing. Okay, let's keeping exciting, amazing, incredible indeedgy cool and see more of our conversation with gale search spout podcast on IG and twitter. Or it's about podcastcom next week. Ian D or spouts off. Yeah, I'll watch the video of the show and US when I'm like like what the fuckly, I just did that. You know, it's seeing being in front of the presence of Tenzero people and I'm seeing to these people and I see people crying, singing right back to you know. I mean like like that is like the most beautiful thing about all this to me. Plus, coming soon to this about podcast Camilla Cabayo and Harry styles. This spout podcast is presented by Alpha media and created by Phillbacker spout. Finding the right person for the job isn't easy. Just ask someone who hired a monster truck driver to deliver pizza and the neighbors are going while you could hear that engine from a buile away...

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