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Dove Cameron

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This week, Spout welcomes Dove Cameron. Dove sits down and shares the emotional story behind her song, “Boyfriend” and how she hopes it becomes a new queer anthem. She explains why being an empath makes it hard at times to stay connected, the psychological differences between being a blonde and a brunette, the truth behind embracing your deeper identity, why she’s like a big sister to her fans, and so much more.

She rose to fame on the hit Disney show live in Maddie, where she not only showed off her acting prowess playing double roles opposite herself, but also proved to be a gifted vocal talent as well. Could true? Headed true, so hard to find true? fucking it back time, Dove Cameron Star quickly shined bright, leading her to a pivotal role in the descendants film franchise, where she once again showed that she is a multifaceted talent, with her songs from the film's reaching hundreds of millions of views on Youtube. which way should I while the now twenty six year old former Disney breakout star, who...

...has amassed over forty six million followers on instagram, is no stranger to the limelight. She recently has become a strong and leading voice for the queer community. After coming out in two thousand and twenty. Her latest single, boyfriend, which dove herself describes as a quote, Queer anthem, became a hit instantly, with hundreds of thousands of fans on ticktocks using snippets from the sexy single for their videos. Most so this is a heinsis so much cook so so with boyfriend quickly climbing up the billboard charts. We get the chance to talk to dove, who got really candid about her personal life, how changing her hair color helped her feel more like herself, and about how, if it wasn't for Ticktock, she wouldn't have released her biggest hit song to date.

I'm your host, Hamradia, and this is the spout podcast, where famous people spout off about more than what they're famous for, and today that's Dove Cameron. Dove Cameron, how are you? I'm so good. How are you? I'm great. You looking beautiful as always. Nice to see your face. Thank you, you too. Thanks, Girl. Appreciate that I've been coming from you. She's would a compliment, and I want to say congratulations, because he recently released your new single, boyfriend, and it's all over tick tock, like you could not escape this amazing song, which I don't mind because I love it so much. Can you talk to me about the meaning of a boyfriend and why you think it's resonating so strongly with your fans? Boyfriend was a song that I wrote last year, and we wrote it based on an experience that I had in New York that one day maybe I'll go into an in a book or something. It was a real life experience. It was potentially going to go on the EP, it was potentially going to never be released, and I just started putting it on tick tocking, and I put the actual audio of the demo, like really early...

...demo, and I didn't really think anything of it and I went to sleep. But I woke up the next morning and it was blowing up and it kept blowing up and so the label and I kind of called each other. Really I think it's reslating with people because it's really it's really hard to make a clear anthem that feels radio friendly and that is kind of cross genre. and to me boyfriend is important because it's a song that could easily be about a straight relationship, but it's not. I could hear a boy singing it about a girl, girls singing about a boy, and I'm obviously queer and it's really important for me to represent that in my music. I just liked that it's a sort of like a very normal natural integration of the Queer love story into the general public. It's really amazing and the day it dropped you wrote an instagram post describing the release of the song as emotional. Can you talk more about why this track in particular is such a pivotal moment for you? I think that, like, growing up queer, I never really imagined that I would be having these candid conversations like this. But there was no...

...world in which a queer anthem would have been on at the time. You know, I was living in scattle and I was listening to kiss one of six point one and there was no way in which like that would have just come up on on any radio station that I, like, had my little alarm clock set to as a young queer girl. In a way, so it's highly emotional to me that, like there was no engineering around this, there was no big noise made, there was no promo, there was no planning. It was a a total, total natural thing from like the Internet, and it resonating naturally with people. So to have something that feels so intraversonal to me and so romantic and so straight up the pages of my journal be something that resonates with people in that way, it's emotional. You've posted a video on your tick tock of your grandmother, who FII. I'm obsessed with. If you had this video where, you know, she was talking about how, you know, it's a really sweet and she's talk about how it's important for you, as a public figure to be open about your queer...

...identity and how your strength can actually provide strength for others, and it's really great that you have such a wonderful family support because, as we all know, unfortunately not everyone does. What does it mean to be this person that a lot of people, you know, kind of use as a barometer for being loud and proud and accepting of who they are and not hiding anymore? It really is such a beautiful thing. Thank you. I think a few years ago, if I had come out and started to speak on this in such a loud way, I would have felt panics, because I think there's this sort of perception about queer kids that they like know who they are and they're well versed in talking about it and they're ready to like stand behind their words and represent people. I was not, and you don't know how to talk about it with strength and with perspective like that is a lot of pressure to put on a young person and I want to like reiterate we should not be doing that with young pop who are finding their identities. Like I see a lot of that where I was told for a long time you have to come out to represent other people, you have to like might be crying that.

I'd be like, I don't know how to do that. Yeah, but I felt like they were right and it's not right. We should not be forcing anyone to come out before they want to. I could cry right now, I'd like. Makes me, it gets me very emotional. That's part of why now I do feel so good about who I am now, who I know myself to be. I feel very sure footed and being somebody that young for people can look out to, because I think that a role model is not someone who tries to be something for some perceived idea blueprint of what a role model is, because that's not real human being. I think that a role model is someone who has done work, who knows that they're always in process, who is always up front and personal with their demons, their shortcomings, their struggles and who is living boldly as the person that they know themselves to be and that they want to show and that they want to exhibit. We should not be forcing anything on anyone, but, like as a proud queer woman. I'm elated, like a late that this song is having the impact that it is and to be the one to, you know,...

...hopefully be singing this live soon and be speaking to people about their their most personal experiences with their sexuality. It's really, really magical. I've always felt like a big sister in life and now I feel so protective of my young fans and really honored to be taking up this space. I mean, look, I know you said it's a lot of pressure, but you're handling it so well and you're doing such an incredible job. I'm sure you get this a lot, but like, seriously, like you're doing such a wonderful job and it's really inspiring. keeped in what you do and you do in your think girl. Look, who're all busy and the last thing we want to do is hit the grocery store and then spend hours in the kitchen after a hectic day. Green Chef makes cooking easy, so you can spend less time stressing and more time enjoying delicious home cooked meals. Green chef is so convenient, with preportioned, easy to follow recipes that are delivered right to your door, whether you're looking for carb conscious, gluten free, plant based or...

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...new Song Boyfriend, belongs on Euphoria, which is honestly like the highest possible compliment because the music on euphoria, it's such top tier. Do you watch euphoria and what do you think about that headline? I have watched euphoria. I tend to a huge fan of everybody involved and friends with some of the cast, an amazing group of young women. I am a massive sensitive and everything that I watch I have to like take periodic breaks from. I'm not a huge it's funny. Even like being on television, I'm not always a consumer of television, especially like when something is happening in real time. I tend to be like somebody who wants to get there. When I get there, so I have seen it, but I'm not like an avid, like I'm not watching it every day day that it comes out. But it's not because I don't think it's phenomenal and a cultural phenomenon, it's just because I'm like incredibly sensitive and even my most favorite TV shows I have to like take breaks from if it's if it's anything besides like the office. Yeah, but...

I but I mean I'm a massive fan of like everything that I have seen from euphoria and every person involved in euphoria is like, I mean they're creating culture in real time. So that's a massive compliment. I love those women and and yeah, I'm a huge fan of labyrinth, so I mean the soundtrack of before it is just like unparalleled. I mean everything, everything that those people are creating is it's literally redefined and culture. So it's quite an a complishment all across the board. Well, I could see boyfriend on the show because it is like a perfect for the tone and the message and it would be such a vibe to see that. So do you consider yourself an empath? Because I'm kind of the same way, like there's certain things that I can only take indoses because I feel like energetically, I take too much in. Yeah, I am. I actually one of my favorite shows that I started watching was west world, because I have this kind of obsession with futurism and robots and things like that, and also the kind of like idea of humans creating their idea of other humans. It's something that really kind of...

Piques my interest. But like it was my most favorite show and I would have to like stop halfway through a Bo and walks because it's just the actual material is heavy as all get out and so, like I go through things incredibly slowly and usually like years behind what most people are watching. If I consume too much of one thing, unless it's like quite just only purely positive, I have to like bleed it out and I don't always have the time for that. You know what I'm saying. So so often I do consider myself an empath in that sense, like some of my closest friends, like, I have to get all right, we're setting the tone for this. It's like if it goes too far this way, like I'm going to have to like excuse myself for twenty minutes and write my journal because I'm really that sensitive. You also teased on your tick tock that you have a new single coming that you wrote the same week as boyfriend, and you also have been hinting at an EP. So what can you tell me about that? Well, I can't tell you that I do have my next single all teat up and it's something that I am unbelievably excited about, like I'm my bruiser and...

I are texting about it every day and they have all these ideas and it's so exciting because when you have an unexpected warm resonance with a song, like the way that people have been receiving boyfriend. It kind of empowers you to make those choices that you would otherwise deemed as like unsafe or like, oh, that's not people probably might think that's a little wacky. Now we're like, let's just do everything we were not going to do and now we're going to do it. So definitely I'm very excited about that. And and yeah, I'm definitely working towards my first body of work. I have a lot, a lot of music. I'm in full time Music Mone Zone. Love it. Okay, last question. I've always been curious about the way a blond is treated versus a Brunette. And you look beautiful whether you're blond or Brunette, but I am curious. Have you seen a shift in the way people react to you since you colored your hair darker? Yeah, massively. I I'm actually my natural colors in between those two. It's darker than it was and it's lighter than this. I I dyed my hair out of like...

...a it was actually this like fresher build where I was like I ha to be Brunette and it might go along with like the empath thing. But like I love dress up, I love lashes and long nails and jewelry and expressive clothing, but then something happens and I can never anticipate when it's going to happen. But I like tip and all of a sudden I'm like everything off, everything off, and a tshirt and coke. It oil for a week and I need to go into a river and nobody text me and I'm disappearing. I'm off the grid, I not exist. I'm serious. It's like it's funny, but like I'm dead, dead serious. That's exactly what happens. I hit this wall with a particularly difficult week and I did something that you're not supposed to do, which is like, the night before I dyed my hair, I just like decided and I didn't tell anyone, which you supposed to do, like if you have a team of twenty five people at you rice and work with every single day. But I just hit a wall and I was like I have to do this for me and I have to go away and had to come back as a new person, and it was because, I think like my part of my brain that like new better knew...

...that this was like it sounds funny, but but the psychology of how people are treated based on things like hair colors. You know, it's real and people have already so funny the amount of people that are like, I'm less and fantilized. HMM. People are taking me more seriously in a lot of ways, which was not the goal, but definitely I would say that it is like a very interesting social experiment to be one yet for like a decade and then to change and have everybody kind of yeah, I definitely also just feel more like myself, like I think that like this, this is who I have felt that I was. Is Not just the hair color, but everything like. I love now I feel very comfortable wearing mostly men's where, which is something that I have exclusively wanted to wear for a long time, and not being as animated or being as communicative and all these sort of things that are expected of women. I feel very comfortable inhabiting the fullness of WHO I am now. I love hearing that. That's awesome. You're Badass,...

Dude. I'm really happy for you and I'm excited to hear your new music. Thank you so much. You're so wonderful. Your energy is lovely. And thank you for taking time to see more of Tamadas conversation with Dove Cameron Search. SPOUT PODCAST ON IG twitter or ticktock, or it's spout podcastcom next week a special Oscars episode with the cast of Incanto. I feel the Lotus is me, is you, is everybody here. You know, we have little perks within ourselves that make us a little bit like meat up in or a little bit like Camillo. COVID happened. That was the law. It was me going ow wow, I can't even think about our just thinking about death. This spout podcast is presented by Alpha media and created by Phil Becker. Spout.

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